Some Hiking and Learning

Discussion in 'Wilderness and Tactical Healthcare Management' started by DYSPHORIC JOY, Oct 14, 2016.

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    The DJ Family did some hiking, creeking, and learning this week:

    Trail in the "Breaks"
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    We were fortunate to spend some time with Jim Harrison discussing current research, case studies, and SE snake populations. Jim is the "go-to-guy" for venom procurement, current treatment methodology, and anything else you can think of regarding snakes. Besides being the survivor of numerous hot bites, he used to be a sparring partner with Bill "Superfoot" Wallace, trained with Joe Lewis and is a former police officer.

    Venom Extraction from Lancehead that resulted in a near fatal bite a few years ago. Anyone with knowledge of the Fer-De-Lance understands how serious a bite can be:
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    Internet photo of a Bothrops envenomation:

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    Nasty just nasty.
     
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    That's it. I'm never going into the woods again. In fact, I think I will not leave the safety of my house.

    Seriously, why is that leg still attached to the man's body?
     
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    It would be interesting to see what an untreated full envenomation by a large SE Timber would look like. Last 2 documented in KY and WV did not survive but a few hours.
     
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    Notice the Sawyer recommendation. There is no real data that support this, however, I used one on my leg immediately following a hot bite from a large northern copperhead and feel like it did help. A viper mimics a Z-Track injection with the bite so extracting venom is not a simple task. Fact is, I may have received a low dose of venom initially, but it sure was painful.
     
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    I was surprised by that.......I Thought the Sawyer or similar extractors weren't recommended any more?
     
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    Good read. Hope to never need to know any of the stuff.
     
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    Very cool.
     
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    It was an excellent experience. I enjoy reading the current literature but nothing is better than real time exposure.

    As far as the hiking part, it is my favorite time of year. There were literally no people in the woods and very few in the parks period.
     
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    Good stuff DJ! That bite looks like it was unattended to for a long time!
     
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    2 weeks. This photo is in a research journal but is used for everything from meth to what will happen to Trump supporters all over the net.
     
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    Lol
     
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    Muffa Duck.... that is nasty !!!! I feel like my snake paranoia is rising already this year ...!!
     
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    Good thing about your snakes is you take a hit, walk a few steps and die. Simple process with minimal flesh digestion:D

    Got to get down there sometime.
     
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    Yeah I would actually PREFER it that way thanks !!! Tyranny of distance will get 'ya here, an otherwise survivable bite happens when you are just in the arse of nowhere and they find you dead 300yds from the car as you had to at least try and walk out...
     
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